Soylent now unavailable in Canada

Sorry for the delay in response, back in action now after the new year (Happy new year everyone!). Unfortunately, still nothing to report.

— John

Damn, I just found out about this product and thus this message board. I’m a Type II Diabetic, as well as just recently diagnosed with Oral Allergy Syndrome. I was hoping to try some of it to see if it causes me to have an allergic reaction or not. Hopefully this product can be made available to us Canadians again soon:sunglasses:.

Check out holfood, it’s a Canadian-made complete food.

Soon it is looking very unlikely. This problem has been dragging on for few years now and they seem to be at a stalemate. The Canadian regulation is unlikely to change, and this will force Soylent to release a different product for Canada. A lot of effort, in short.

So, I would look for alternatives.

Brand Type C$/400kcal Shipping** Features
Canada
Biolent P 2.86 Free V,K*,S*
Hol Food P 2.69 Free
Tudo P 3.5 Free V,GF
Vitalhouse P 5.21 Free V, GF, S,SF, NG
Europe
Ambronite P 7.94 Free V, NG, SF
Jake O P,B 5.34 Free*** V,S*
Jimmyjoy P,B,D 1.82 111+ V,S*
Pulve P 2.97 Free**** V,NG,SF
Queal P,B 2.13 71 V*,S*
Shake2day P,B 2.70 Varies V*,S*
Vitaminfood P 2.64 20 V
USA
Superbodyfuel P 3.27 Free S*,K*
Sated P,D* 3.92 Varies K

Price based on their standard version without subscription. The threshold for free shipping in each Canadian brand varies.

Labels :

  • ***** Means that one of the product is but not all are.

  • ****** Shipping is without import taxes and values are in CAD.

  • ******* Jake offers free shipping but the total price of the product will increase, because you will have to pay for taxes and brokerage fees.

  • ******** Free above C$200.

  • Varies : It will depend on the size of the order. A good rule of thumb is at least half of the cost of the products.

  • V : Vegan.

  • S : Sport.

  • K :Keto.

  • NG : Non-GMO.

  • GF : Gluten-free.

  • SF : Soy-free

  • P : Powder meal replacement.

  • B : Meal replacement bar.

  • D : Ready to drink.

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FYI, I was just shopping on Superbodyfuel, and all of their meals are Gluten-Free, Soy-Free and Vegan.

You’re right. Should’ve included that in the table.

The powders are vegan but the suggested method of use isn’t.

Good brand though.

Wasn’t in October 2017 that this began? We don’t know if it’s a stalemate after all- There hasn’t been anything close to a status update or approximation of a return. Hopefully @soylent_team team can remedy with some information soon, be it official or not.

I do know Conor had mentioned a large gaming community here now being missed out on due to the product ban but for as to where it sit’s priority wise for the company is anyones guess.

The issue has been going on since 2015, as Rob (at the time CEO) wrote a open letter:

About the stalemate there’s various reasons to belief that’s the case:
1- Soylent does not comply with the Canadian regulations to be a meal replacement. Among other issues the percentage of fat is higher than the law indicates ( needs to be below 30%). The law is unlikely to change, and making an exception for Soylent does not make sense for the Canadian authorities.
2- thus, Soylent needs to reformulate their product, which requires a lot of research and money. Is more likely that they will create a new product for other markets and introduce that to Canada, rather than creating something only for Canada.
3- they’ve been on the same stage for a while. No real updates given.
4- I don’t think this is Soylents priority, when they’re expanding to other markets (UK/EU).

I have more pictures that’s I think I’ve posted somewhere else on this forum ( I’ll upload them when I get to my computer).

Meanwhile: https://latestfuels.com/meal-replacements-canada/ (also posted somewhere else)

Soylent has been for sale since 2015 for us here in Canada. The issue came up last quarter of '17.

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Does anyone else think it strange we have legal marijuana but Soylent is forbidden fruit now?

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It seems that I was mistaken on that. Thanks for pointing that out.

Some of my other points still remain though. This issue is looking like is going to last since at least one of the parties won’t change their position unless there’s a regulation change.

Not sure how petitions work in Canada but it would be the way I would go around it.

At the end of the day the regulations were set according scientific research and parameters known at the time. I think the comparison does not really hold, but hopefully Soylent will be “legalised” too.

How is it that it’s looking like it’s going to last? Do you have special insight into the steps the @soylent_team
have taken/are taking? Do you know for certain why exactly they had stopped sales here in Canada?

“At the end of the day the regulations were set according scientific research and parameters known at the time”
No one knows the exact results of long term exposure to both CBD and THC. There are many studies stating this in different ways because of the very laws that made it illegal.

“The comparison” is pot was always declared bad for people and yet Soylent can’t be sold here because it’s not up to our bullshit Canadian standards. As someone that had been on Soylent since 2015- it had nothing but positive results!!

And BTW when you use the phrase “at the end of the day” keep it mind it tends to have an aspect of either showing the person is either full of shit or they know a little of what they are taking about…

I appreciate the feedback.

Also, Canadian regulations: http://www.inspection.gc.ca/food/general-food-requirements-and-guidance/labelling/for-industry/foods-for-special-dietary/eng/1393627685223/1393637610720?chap=5
“When a meal replacement is represented as a replacement for all daily meals, the maximum amount of energy from fat is reduced to 30 percent, of which no more than 10 percent may be from saturated fat [B.24.200(2), FDR]. For complete compositional requirements, refer to B.24.200 of the FDR.”

They stopped the sales, because the Canadian Food Agency stated that Soylent did not follow the required regulations to be sold as a meal replacement.

As a relevant statement, here is what a Huel staff members stated on why Huel cannot be sold in CAN:
"Unfortunately, the rules regarding what is considered food is different in Canada to many countries. Whilst in the USA and Europe Huel is categorised as Food, in Canada, we would be categorised as a meal replacement.

This issue with this is that meal replacements have extremely strict requirements to be available to sell in Canada.

For example, the minimum amount of Vitamin D per serving in a meal replacement is 1.25mcg and the maximum is 2.5mcg. Huel contains, 5mcg per serving. So we do not meet the classification of a meal replacement, and thus would not be able to sell in Canada.

This is not the only point where we would be held up, but it is one of the most stark. The Vitamin D content in Huel is what it is because it provides an optimal amount to help people avoid vitamin D deficiency. Lowering this amount would make Huel an inferior product.

We are exploring different options to try and allow Huel to be sold in Canada, but these take a significant amount of time, and potentially product re-formulations. Concurrently, we are always reviewing our formula and trying to optimise Huel. Any change would reset the process.

It’s as frustrating for us as it is for you. It makes no logical sense to us that Huel can be made in Canada, but not sold. Or that massively unhealthy fast food is fine, but Huel isn’t. But we can only work with the legislation that is there."

As you can see, being labelled as meal replacement limits the options in the formulation and makes the products adhere to much stricter rules. Rules that Soylent “breaks”.

He also remarks the difficulties of having to reformulate and create a new product for Canada only.

If Soylent’s case is similar to Huel’s, and I believe the facts state it is, you might make the assumption that they are facing alike difficulties.

I would recommend you searching reddit for the same query (soylent cananda) and you will get responses from people that are more involved (have more knowledge about it). Some even inquired the Canadian government directly and there is a PDF document with the response.

The obvious answer to this is that I do not. I hope I am wrong in my assessments of the facts, and that Soylent will be back available soon. I have stated the facts that make me believe this will not be the case here. Hopefully I will be proven wrong, because that will mean many will have the chance to enjoy Soylent again.

People like you that have been able to enjoy the benefits of Soylent.

Perhaps, my comparison evaluation of the comparison was out of order. I have relatives with Cerebral Palsy that benefit from medical issued marihuana (“stops” spasms). I have had family that needed morphine after an accident to reduce pain. Medical application of these drugs when controlled and administered in a regulated way usually outweigh the “negative” effects/side effects. These medical drugs (like many other pharmaceuticals) are not widely available and cannot be bought in the supermarket or online.

That is why I felt that it was comparing pears to apples. I did not mean that I agree Soylent should be banned, but it is just a different product all together; thus I thought the comparison was lacking. Now if you compared it to other extremely unhealthy foods and wonder why those are legal and Soylent is not; I would not argue with you.

All in all, I agree that Soylent being banned is comical and ironic in many aspects.

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:frowning: Just finished my stockpile of Soylent powder :frowning:

I feel for you, friend.

Currently eating: some crap I nuked in the micro…

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@soylent_team Since the update page hasn’t been updated in 2 years- Are there any indications that we might possibly be seeing a return before the end of 2019? Thank you

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@soylent_team. Anything? Any update at all for us?

Crickets chirping

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It’s official:

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My daughter will probably be doing another order next month to our Niagara Falls address, my only concern is whether the new “Canadian” formula will be acceptable to here, or even if the same products would be available, we won’t know until the Canadian announcement is made