Yet more fat vs carbs

New York Times op-Ed [Why is the Federal government afraid of fat?][1]



“But nutrition, like any scientific field, has advanced quickly, and by 2000, the benefits of very-low-fat diets had come into question. Increasingly, the 30% cap on dietary fat appeared arbitrary and possibly harmful. Following an Institute of Medicine report, the 2005 Dietary Guidelines quietly began to reverse the government’s campaign against dietary fat, increasing the upper limit to 35% — and also, for the first time, recommending a lower limit of 20%.”


Another quote:

The limit on total fat is an outdated concept, an obstacle to sensible change that promotes harmful low-fat foods, undermines efforts to limit refined grains and added sugars, and discourages the food industry from developing products higher in healthy fats.


Before discovering Soylent, @vanclute and I both tried out Personal Trainer Food. In the brochure that accompanies the month supply of food, they specifically advise against using low-fat dressing, but had no problem with regular dressing.

I appreciated that they went with the evidence, and not the rhetoric.

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It really is amazing how the “low fat” mantra gets stuck in the mind… Back in the heyday I fell for all the low fat crap the food industry could throw at me… It just seemed so intuitively obvious. Even now I really can’t stand eating fat on meat dishes.

I’m just eating Soylent now, but if I went back to regular food, I would have to do some serious retraining to keep myself from grabbing for the low-fat yogurt.

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Recognizing this new evidence, the scientists on the 2015 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee, for the first time in 35 years have sent recommendations to the government without any upper limit on total fat.

I would love to read that recommendation myself. I’ve read the one on no longer needing to worry about dietary cholesterol.

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[quote=“horsfield, post:7, topic:22483”]
Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee

This looks like it. I haven’t read it.

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As your link mentions (as well as other stuff like My links from Newsweek) it looks like this is the scientific report from which the 2015 dietary guidelines will be drafted sometime later this year. I would guess this report contains more science and less politics, but I fear the actual guidelines when they eventually do arrive will reflect a good deal of politics as well.

I didn’t read every mention of fat in the report but it does seem they are only recommending the restriction of saturated fat and dairy fats. It does recommend a diet high in seafood, nuts, and legumes.

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In my opinion, the problem with fats isn’t the fat itself, but rather the high caloric density. I am a die-hard lover of fatty foods! Give me full-fat milk and bacon, and I’m a happy camper! The problem with the correlation (or causation) of fats and weight gain is how easy it is to take in WAY more calories than I can expend in a day without even thinking about it. I know fats are a necessary part of a healthy diet, but I will still pick up lower-fat things (1% milk :frowning: ) to save me from taking in too many calories and packing on the extra weight.

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In the case of Soylent, the total caloric content is known, so it’s not like it’s sneaking up on you. In the case of other fatty things, there is always the possibility of eating great things less often. For many of us, carbs spike too much energy all at once, with undesirable effects. My Kaiser specialist in diabetes hates carbs. I was surprised at how vehement she was.

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What’s interesting is people allowed to free feed on a high fat diet tend to eat fewer calories than if they were on a high carb diet. So while you may have a problem with getting too many calories from fat it could be even worse on a high carb diet.


This probably has to do with the fact that removing carbs leaves a huge void in macros, so high fat diets tend to be high protein as well, which lends to satiety.


That IS very true, I suppose. High-fat foods tend to be quite filling and satisfying. Mmmm. Now I really want bacon. :stuck_out_tongue:

I think “Change is Hard” is more than just 4%.

Other than alcohol prohibition, name one Federal program that was actually stopped, as opposed to being morphed into something else.

Take salt for instance. According to John Stossel, the Feds spend over $1Bn/year to persuade you to eat less salt. Salt is bad for you if you are one of the 2% to 9% of the population for whom too much salt is bad. Everyone else self regulates any over-supply.

Lots of folks don’t get enough salt because of the propaganda campaigns. Not enough salt makes you crazy.


1% milk is an abomination, and 2% isn’t much better. I used to love milk when I was a teenager; I went through 2 gallons a week on my own regularly. Eventually, I just lost interest in milk. It wasn’t until years later that I really realized why. I had gone the low fat route with milk for too long. When I went back to full-fat milk, the love affair started again. Though not to the extent it had when I was a teenager. I’ve found I would rather have 8oz of real milk a week rather than a gallon of “white water” every day.


Bacon? Did you mean to say high protein food tend to be satisfying?

I can’t stand high fat milk. I prefer watery skim…but even then I would definitely prefer milk alternatives like almond milk. That fatty stuff makes my stomach feel icky and the fats coat my throat and get stuck in my tonsil ulcers so it just makes everything uncomfortable.

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So, what you’re saying is you don’t actually like milk? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: